When your character for testing has every skill in the game, including some dev skills you guys can't get, we can fly anything. Meaning we can fly drone boats even when running missions for the Caldari. Just saying.

Simply wrong. The new AI does have aggro management elements. Try fitting some ewar on your main tank ship.


Also to those saying this kills solo drone PvE. Again simply wrong. There are tonnes of people who solo drone boat in Wormholes where sleeper AI is even MORE aggressive against drones. If they can do it, so can you

Anyone know if it was already answered if all rats will now have warp disruptors on them now? Particularly in lowsec/null.

I ask this specifically, because it would be one of the greatest and most powerful things CCP could change as an anti-botting mechanism in favour of roaming groups/individuals.

Why would they be cheering when their higher end PvE got nerfed? As it stands I'm still not seeing any real change for solo PvE. It's groups that had perfect aggro control that will be losing the most efficiency, like high end null plex'ers.

YEs but noone cares nor should they care that you will have to sacrifice tank or DPS to compensate for this change.

Its called adaption. Welcome to Eve.

When I started playing "tracking" wasnt even a thing and there was no armor tanking setups - imagine adapting from that!

PS: The idea that this gimps droneboats is simply wrong. Have you ever PvEd in a wormhole? You can use drones fine if you manage them (and remote reps) properly.

What? I never read anywhere that the new AI will be able to randomly and permanently destroy launcher/turrets off player ships unless they start fitting useless ECM mods(which reduce; not eliminate the chance btw). But since you just assured me that this is an equal nerf I'm going to assume I just missed it somewhere. Silly me............

So, I don't spend a lot of time in wormholes, but I'm told that sleeper rats like to change targets when new things enter a site.

If I'm cruising around in a PvP ship trying to gank ratters, am I now going to get lit up by the rats the second I warp into somebody's site to tackle them? Because if this is the case it's going to literally ruin ratter-hunting (and help protect bots, for that matter).

Let's try this scenario, if a dude was mining in nullsec, say with a bot, so bot mining, and you warp to him in say a stealth bomber, the rats will deagress the bot and kill the bomber instead because that's "more engaging" pve. That totally makes sense, buff botting.

She forgot to mention that these were dev Domi's.
And I am really looking forward to hear how this tactic works in plexes with neut towers.

The fact that a Dev team has focused a considerable amount of work to create a nerf that should kill AFK Domi's once and for all, testing to see if AFK Domi's are impacted by said work?

Not surprising at all.

The fact that said work has a raft of unintended consequences and does not impact AFK Domi's AT ALL (as expected all along)?

Deliciously ironic.

Easy solution: Stay ATK (Attached To Keyboard). Ya know, the way the designers intended the game to be played... or whatever.

I see. It's a difference that I don't get cause drone boats never appealed to me. I like being outnumbered and outclassed in PvE. I'm looking forward to seeing if I can survive lvl3 missions solo in the new Caldari destroyer.

Different gameplay entirely and one of the reasons I do love this damn game.

Has any testing been done with carriers using both fighters and senturies ? It would be nice to know if we are still going to be able to use them for rating.

Already answered that in the other post, but since this is the original discussion thread...

Do your typical player rats (aka 0.0 sov holder) refrain from killing you when you - uninvited - assist them vs. an opponent in 'their' territory or would they simply shoot both of you? NBSI policy ringing a bell?

Wait, so fighters are required in a L4 mission now? No, I am not testing that. Please stop. If you honestly have a mission or anomaly or something like that you want me to test please let me know and I will.

OK so I have confirmation that Duality will be open on October 19th, less than a month from now :P.

See CCP Goliath's post here for more information.

Your request doesn't make a whole lot of sense. F&I is filled with valuable critique which has led to a number of changes already based upon the feedback provided. Granted it's largely based on theory crafting, it's still worthwhile to flesh out concepts and expectations as early as possible. I personally appreciate the early and frequent communication of their plans.

Since everybody is going on about L4s and Forsaken hubs. How about taking a Vexor or an Arbitrator into the Recon 1 L2 version with a low skill character (~3m SP, without T2 modules, this including drones, maybe a T2 repper though as that's a really short train), the kinds that will usually be running these L2s. This mission is already seriously hard on such SP levels as is, I'd be very interested how it would play out with the new AI, especially with all the destroyers in there.

Istr there being other L2s with lots of frigates that could get nasty (Damsel?) but Recon is the one I remember best...

Except most of us do understand what the Devs have explained, and aren't seeing the rage.
Sure there is potential issue in a few specific examples, but the fact that people always refer to the same handful of examples when talking about problem content and not the other 1,000+ missions is a pretty strong sign that for the most part this change is a positive thing.

As for redesigning the content now..... You are asking CCP to make a blind change based on the AI update to what will be required as well as change two things at once. That makes for even worse issues, since if we then all come back with complaints, CCP Devs have no idea which change has actually created the problem in the first place. By rolling out the AI now, then updating once we have broken the AI all we can, CCP has a much better idea of what is required for a good mission difficulty.

You talk about CCP not knowing how to Develop..... when you are sitting here advocating bad Dev procedures yourself, priceless.

I wonder how many praising this system are now regretting their support.

It's a feature......


This is not the first time CCP has introduced a stealth nerf to a racial class. Even if they fix it, it will still be sleeper AI, and you will not be able to afk a drone boat in L4's.....

Now that the whole room doesn't argo, the missions seem easier than before. I mean, the rats seem afraid to attack. I actually enjoyed being attacked by the whole room, especially on the missions where the baddies are too far away for my nerfed missile range to hit.

Is there a balance between now and before? Make PVE more of a challenge, but not make the droners cry?